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Kananaskis fire lookout via back door
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(trip) Date: Saturday Nov 25, 2023
Submitted: Saturday Nov 25, 2023 at 15:40
Discussion:
A quick out and back to get the ski legs pumping. -10 to start at 830. About -4 back at the car at noon. We went in with AT gear, just for fun (and the other member of the group doesn’t have XC). Clear and light winds up top lead to an extended enjoyable stay followed by an exciting run back down the north side in a bit of dust amongst the ridges and crusty bits. It’s been getting scraped, exposing some of the harder base. Kinda glad I wasn’t on XC gear for the first ski of the season.
On a different note: Got another Kananaskis pass ticket. Arrrggg!!!! Same day of my pass purchase a year ago. They expire midnight on the day BEFORE your purchase, not midnight the day of. And the email reminder does not include the date and time of your expiry. Bought a new annual pass, as usual, on my next visit to K-country 5 days later before getting the ticket in the mail. Here we go again. )-:
 Zero degrees on the thermometer of the shed at about 1030 (bit of an inversion based on temp back at car on return). And only 30 cm on the picnic table in front of it.
 Snow stayed dry though. Not sure about the south side?
 Nope, not enough for some Gord F turns.
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2023-11-25 at 15:58 - comment by Carl V M
I skied the Back Door, Tyrwhitt, Elk Pass, Hydroline, Lookout loop today. Awesome! I did use my ancient Kazama Mountain High skis with kicker skins for the long climb up the south approach to the lookout.
 Example of the "worst" of the Tyrwhit trail
 Lovely morning on Tyrwhitt east of Elk Pass
 The creek crossing at the low point of the Lookout trail. Not sure why someone would just ski across! They had to have had problems with icing up afterwards.
2023-11-25 at 16:54 - comment by JimB
Sorry to hear about your ticket. I thought I would add that the pass is valid for 365 days, not 1 year so 2024 being a leap year, your pass expiry may be a day earlier than expected.
2023-11-25 at 18:07 - comment by SkierRoger
Thanks for the reminder, MaSid.
I checked the status of my Kananaskis Park Pass. It was expired too. I’ve been lucky!
I noticed while I was paying up that there’s a box to check for an email update before it expires.
2023-11-25 at 18:30 - comment by MaSid
I’ve bought my last two annual passes in person at info centres. First time didn’t know about the email reminder (wasn’t offered). Second time made sure they checked the box for me. But the reminder email is very generic: “your pass is about to expire”, with no specifics for your actual situation such as date and time of expiry. Unless you kept the receipt or made a note in Your calendar, as there is no real pass hanging from the mirror, if you are a day or two off, gonna get dinged. Needs improvement for sure to make it more workable and reasonable. But yes, go get a new one Roger. Not sure if they can pro-rate your new pass to start at the time the current one ends if you are early.
2023-11-25 at 20:02 - comment by Dave F
When we skied across, it was bare ice to dry snow. Must have filled up with water after the fact, no icing!
2023-11-26 at 00:07 - comment by Mike W
MaSid - See https://www.skierroger.ca/index.php?content=showski_special&id=2211 for my June post about Parks breaching their sales contract with me for an "Annual" pass, by claiming it will expire a day early. I think you have excellent grounds to dispute the fine in Court should you wish to do so. You purchased an "Annual" pass; not a "365-day" pass. And the Government of Alberta defines a year as being from any date in one year to the same date in the following year.
Your pass was still valid the day you received the ticket, since it was less than a year since you purchased the pass. Parks simply miscalculated the expiry date and breached their contract with you. Alternatively, Parks misrepresented their 365-day pass as being an annual (i.e. 366-day) pass, which is a contravention of sections 6(4)(a),(c)&(t.1) of the Alberta Consumer Protection Act.
Kananaskis Conservatives Pass Fee Increase Due to UCP Misrepresentation, Fraud and Shrinkflation!
2023-11-26 at 12:25 - comment by Mike W
MaSid - My previous comment was incorrect, which I blame on being in the midst of a COVID-induced delirium. The leap year issue is only applicable if the validity period of your pass includes Feb 29 2024. Your expired pass doesn't fall into that category.
In a normal (non-leap) year, the pass is valid from the start of whatever day you specify on the web form, until the end of the previous day the following year. This means the pass is valid for a full 365 days. In your case, if you bought it at an info centre on say Nov 10 2022 at 9am, its validity would start retroactively from the first second of Nov 10 2022, and continue to the last second of Nov 9 2023; a full 365 days.
I agree that Parks should do a much better job of informing the passholder of when their pass will expire.
2023-11-26 at 20:06 - comment by MaSid
This is interesting. Section 7 of the original ministerial order requiring a conservation pass says an annual pass is good to midnight of the date of purchase the following year. They are not enforcing it in compliance with this order.
2023-11-26 at 21:40 - comment by Mike W
MaSid - Very interesting. The original Order, 51/2021, was repealed and replaced by Order 74/2021, but the latter contains identical wording as to the period of an annual pass. See https://open.alberta.ca/publications/ep-74-2021 .
Great, everyone gets one year plus a day: 366 days in non-leap years and 367 in leap years! Hope you take this to Court with a copy of Ministerial Order 74/2021 in your hand!
Ministerial Order 74/2021
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